Rising Above Pornography

"Rising above pornography" a  book  by  Rebecca Lomas. Join us in a conversation with the author.

If you are concerned about pornography, I invite you to read this book. This book enlightens readers by offering awareness, hope, and courage. 

All of us want inner peace for ourselves and our loved ones. Yet pornography often leads to suffering: abuse, victimization, crime with imprisonment, addiction, and other personal tragedies. This social injustice degrades the human body, especially that of women. But people of all ages are being hurt by its effects. 

If you are in a position to lead, counsel, rehabilitate, or motivate, this book may offer helpful suggestions. Life deserves full dignity and respect, and it is never too late to improve lives.
Rebecca Lomas 

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https://www.amazon.com/Rising-Above-Pornography-Rebecca-Lomas/dp/1931456178

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Transcript

Rising Above Pornography

Lydia

This is a wonderful day here in south Texas. It is a beautiful evening. It's cold outside. A little bit of rain. I'm here with this wonderful person, an amazing woman. Her name is Rebecca Lomas. She is an accomplished writer. She was educated at Our Lady of the Lake University with a degree in English and Spanish, and she became a freelance writer. Publications include business journals and newspaper articles. And she wrote a book. When I read the book, it created a big impact on me. You know, it got so deep into me because it talks about one of the biggest issues that we are going through in society right now. The title of the book is Rising Above Pornography.

Rebecca Hello, how are you? So nice you're here with us! 

Rebecca

It's very nice being here in Lydia, and I really appreciate your asking me to come share regarding this book. 

Lydia

And it so providential, Rebecca, because I professionally said, a lot of the young people that I see are dealing with addiction to pornography. So I just go straight to my bookcase and I grab the book and I'm like, I just immediately send it to her and I said, Get this book because this has a lot of reasons, a lot of answers, a lot of hope for what we are to do and how are we to react to understanding how horrible pornography is and how it can affect us and how it has victims. How we as society can do something about it. 

And so I got in contact with her and I invited her to be here with us. So thank you for writing this wonderful book!

Rebecca 

Thank you, Lydia. I appreciate that. It's wonderful being here. I think it's great. You point out how you were able to share this book with probably a counselor or a therapist and the book turns out to be applicable to a lot of people. It talks about women who seem to be the main victims of pornography or sexual abuse. But in reality, everybody is impacted by it in one way or another. And in the end, it is society's responsibility to create good surroundings for everyone. And pornography can cause a lot of heartache, if not real abuse. And so this book tries to have words for everybody, not just the victim, but the families of victims, offenders who may have made bad decisions in their early life and who are suffering the consequences. And also to leaders, people that are in a position to instruct others or guide others. Much like this therapist that you're talking about, or a teacher who can influence a lot of young people throughout their career. 

Lydia 

Yes, definitely. We all are able to relate one way or another. And also, it is a window to look into yourself, in ourselves, in our inner being. What can we do about it, about this crisis that we're going through? There's a lot that we can do with the power of ourselves within ourselves. With the help from God, we can accomplish so many things. 

Rebecca

I was born in Texas, and I grew up in a family in the barrio, and my father worked very hard to support his family and he was a man of value whom I admired, and he would always give us advice and he'd give other people sometimes unwanted advice. But from his experiences.  And I went through I call it a misfortune when I was young, and I didn't really want to talk about it before. But I've come to the conclusion that people need to be aware of things that are going on in our society and have been for a long time. But because people keep quiet about it, it just becomes a comfortable situation for this giant that's out there. And it's the giant of pornography. And I wrote it several years ago, probably before it became widespread on the Internet. But the message is still the same today as it was then, that we need to be careful about a lot of things in our society that bring harm to individuals and to families. 

And as a child, I was molested by someone in the neighborhood who was about 14, and I tried to deal with it by myself. For many years, decades, I would say. And it wasn't until God healed me that I was able to really get it behind me. Sometimes people say, well, you need to forget about it and go on with your life. It's very easy to say that people who have not experienced it, but there are many, many people out there and we hear about it every day in the media, how someone is hurt, how someone has victimized someone else, even how people have lost their lives to sex crimes. And yet nobody says much about it. The government doesn't take responsibility, and no one is held accountable for pushing it either. So even though we can't really eradicate everything that's around us, we can try to rise above it. And that's why I named this book Rising Above Pornography. Somehow, we need to become more aware as parents, as leaders. And so, again, this book has a little bit for anybody who might be interested in reading it. 

Lydia

Yes, definitely!

Rebecca is a woman of faith. She has this peace that she reflects when you are with her. And I want to cheer up to you because you were so amazingly brave by writing about this and by telling us, because I know how difficult it is for victims to bring forward to recognize. Yes, I was a victim, I was sexually abused. And in your case, it was very much related to pornography, the abuse that you suffered. No your abuse. The abuse. 

Rebecca

The abuse! 

Lydia 

Yes! 

Rebecca

We don't want to take possession of it. 

Lydia

No!

Rebecca

That is not who we are. 

Lydia

Exactly!

Rebecca

But for many years, it can bother a person to the point where some people even get very despondent. They become introverts or they mistrust people, and it eats away at you. That's what it did to me. And I had very low self-esteem and I would pray to God for answers or for things to change. And it never seemed to change. So, there was a while that I lost my faith in God, but ultimately it was also God who gave me peace when I came to terms with it and when I was able to forgive the person who hurt me. 

I also want to thank you for having me here and for all that you're doing on your apostolate to help other people. It's nice to see someone in our area and doing things like this, and also to the people who are going to share this. 

Lydia

Yes. Yes, You're welcome. It's an honor for me to be here. 

And in your book, you talk about when there is a woman that is a victim, but maybe sometimes they don't see it as a victim because they've she dedicates her life to certain activities that are not viewed as morally okay. Why do you think we as society react like that? 

Rebecca

I think in a way, we are to blame for what is going on in society because we have become very lax and there's been such a rise in sexual crimes or abuse that it's all over and we just tend to ignore it. The best thing is just to ignore it, or you blame the woman for being in the wrong place at the wrong time, and it's just difficult to find a solution. But that's part of the problem that because we don't try to find solutions, then it's just growing and has a free rein in society and it's like there's no stopping it. 

Lydia

We're not doing enough about it. We're not working enough about it. 

Rebecca

Right. We're not working enough about it. This past week on a news channel, they were showing some Muslim fathers somewhere in a midwestern states where they were in front of a school board, and they were standing up for their young children in elementary school. And when one of the fathers said we didn't come to this country for our children to be exposed to pornography in elementary, and it's even happening in kindergartens, and maybe it doesn't happen here in this area. But we have other things like sex trafficking. Everybody talks about sex trafficking, but do we ever really hear about what we can do to avoid it? Or is anybody standing up to this giant that creates so much evil and so much sorrow for people? 

Lydia

Yes. You're talking in your book about governments. When there is crisis for immigration crisis like menacing of a war, a lot of money get put into it and a lot of efforts to help the immigrants, to help to aid whoever or that country might be in danger of their liberties. So, imagine if the same will be done for this situation that has to do with pornography. 

I really don't know if there is something really going on, but I really haven't heard much about it. 

Rebecca

I doubt it. I think it's left up to just individuals and maybe some certain groups that are willing to go out there and make people aware of it. But other than that, there doesn't seem to be any money being spent by the government on that. Yet for years, the government has been fighting this war on drugs and nobody really puts that down because, yes, it's important, but so are things that affect society and families and individuals. And it's not just women like I said who are the victims, but it's young children. And, any men who are out there as offenders, sex offenders. So, it affects everybody in one way or another. And if more money were spent on this, there could be solutions. And because there is no activity against it, then it just grows. People feel that liberty to push it on the schools, on our children, it doesn't make sense. And of course, people get rich from it by using it in the media. If you look at movie actresses, for instance, people see them as heroes and young women emulate these actresses who make a lot of money from disrespecting their own bodies, and they don't seem to care. What it's going to do to other people who are viewing them, especially the youth. There's something very wrong there. And because we're silent, it's just going to get worse before it gets better. 

Lydia

We have grown accustomed to see things that it doesn't seem immoral anymore. 

Rebecca

It's not only immoral, but you’re also told, hey, that's the fashion today. If you don't live up to it, then you are considered old fashioned. And nobody wants those labels, but they're not real.

Lydia

Social media has had a big impact on influencing young generations. 

Rebecca

Exactly!

Lydia

The false sense of happiness that the influencers or celebrities are portraying, they think is real. 

Rebecca

And there's so much temptation out there that all of this, our society is saturated with it, and so it affects different people differently. But the young people of today are not to blame for this being out there. And the heroes of Hollywood, the actresses, they come out and disrespect their own bodies. They have everything falling out, so to speak, but they don't care how it affects the people who are exposed to this. And they're the ones who can afford anything. They can afford security. They can afford to become immune to all the effects. Just look at Super Bowl is coming up in January. And what does everybody look for? The halftime shows to see how raunchy it's going to get. And I saw it a couple of years ago and there was a famous actress, and she was just slobbering all over the place. That's how I describe it, with sexual insinuations. And it's in everybody's living room. What is this that all of this has come into our homes and we're not able to control it? 

Lydia

And we as parents, why do we do? now that you said it's in everybody's living room, I remember years ago, like my kids are grown up, but at the time they were children, I went to, we went to a birthday party and one kid from school, you know, there were children and there were family members and some adults and another parent or two like me. And so suddenly I just go into these, another family room, and there were children there. And guess what was on the TV? pornography. 

I could not believe it.  

All the children that attended that party were exposed to pornography. 

So why did I do? I went to the owner of the house, and I said, do you know what's going on in that room? There are children and there is pornography on the TV. And she said, Oh, that's okay. That's what she said. 

Rebecca

I believe it. 

Lydia

Imagine so, I just say that I couldn't stay there, and I was just going to go. And I called my children, and we took off. 

Rebecca

You did something that was very courageous, even though at the expense that you might lose a friend or that your child might lose a friend. And it seems like just a drop in the water, a drop in the ocean, as they say. But the fact that you did something about it must have made people that family think about it. And sometimes when we go into a public place and people of all ages are there, it can be in any store. Sometimes you see the gaudiest magazines on the rack on, you're paying your tab, and everybody can see it. And when nobody says anything, it's going to continue like that. One time I approached, I asked the manager why they had those magazines there in front of children also, and they didn't have an answer. They got embarrassed maybe, and then they think, oh, who is this nut? you know? But after that, I wrote some letters and over time I've seen a change. But they're just one example. The managers of a store or public place can take action to remove all those obscene pictures that they put up because children are not in a position to understand it. And if the parents, like in that party,  you where in think it's okay, or that it's fun or cute, when are the kids going to think? 

Lydia

I think we expose them to so many wrong things. Then we expose them to be victims themselves, like  you put it in the in your book that also the persons that are using pornography are also victims of it. 

Rebecca

Right. In my case, I was abused by someone who is twice my age. I was like age six or seven and it happened for about two years. So, he was about 14 or 15. And when you stop to think of it, well, he was a victim of it. And so why do I pick on pornography? Because he had it all around him. So, I saw what it could do, and it affected me!

I hardly talked about it to anybody. I kept it a secret. And I know that that's what a lot of people go through. And I just thank God that it was not an immediate family member who did this to me. But we hear of cases all the time where there is a tragedy within families, or somebody end up in prison.  At that time, I didn't do anything about it, but if I had, he might have been arrested and put away for the rest of his life, or he wouldn't have had an opportunity to do other things with his life. 

Lydia

You were a child. You didn't tell anybody. It went on for two years, right? You even know what was happening?

Rebecca

No, I didn't. Sometimes young children will take it as a sign of affection from somebody close to them. But I did start having nightmares that I was being kidnapped. It was the same nightmare that I would have. And finally, I was attending Catholic school at the time, and I know that it was in second grade that when the nun started talking about the commandments, she said she warned us not to let others touch us inappropriately and to just get away from it. So that was what I was able to do. I just got away from him, so I was able to stop it. But all those emotions and effects remained for many years. We hear about post-traumatic syndrome like soldiers from war, and of course in war, they put their lives on the line. So, it's not really the same thing. But that doesn't mean that you don't suffer the trauma of this, even for a whole lifetime, 

Lydia

you know? 

Well, first of all, I really, I'm so sorry that this happened to you.

Rebecca 

Thank you. And I'm not blaming the whole male race either, so. 

Lydia

Yes, we know that. Yes. Yes. But you see them also as victims of pornography that talks about the depthness of your love for people. But I'm sure when you were growing up, you didn't see that. 

Rebecca

Right! 

I was not at peace and even as a young teenager, people react to it from one extreme to the other. There's a lot of things that come into play. But it wasn't until I realized that he was a victim, too, and that I, too, in my life, I may have victimized others in other ways. And so that's how I was able to heal from it and ultimately forgive him in my heart also. 

Lydia

I came to me to my mind, 

I'm talking personally about me. When I was 15 years old in my hometown back in Mexico, I had a little sister. My little sister is like was like five or so six years old. And she comes home one day. I just got home from work, from school, and she comes home, and my mom says, where were you? And she said, oh, we were in that home that they're building. 

And she said, oh, who was there? And she said, This neighbor and this neighbor and this neighbor. She said, oh, but he mentioned a name of a boy who was like 12 years old at that time. She said he was playing doctors with us. 

And I was like, at that moment, I just felt something that I can't describe. I felt that I was taken somewhere. 

My mom asking more questions, and I just don't remember exactly what it was. But at that moment, it came to my brain that the father of that child had done something to me. Now I know that it was when I was six years old. I didn't remember anything until my sister when I'm 15. It was like that! on a snap, it’s like, you know, thinking about it because I didn't know what had happened to me. I was a child. We don't even know what sex is. We are about learning other things, about playing, about games, about…

Rebeca

What ice cream you like?

Lydia

Oh my God, you know, why did you ask? This is so… ice cream you like!

I couldn't eat ice cream and let me tell you way. 

Rebeca

Why?

Lydia

I was in the house with that person. You also mentioned in your book that victims are victimized by most of the time by people that we know! Right? Relatives or neighbors or friends, right?

Rebeca

Right. Right. That's it's whoever's close to you most of the time, who you come in contact with. But unfortunately, there's another side to this that the more this happens, the more we become distrustful as adults, as parents. And some of that is necessary, but a lot of it can be unhealthy. And then we come up with these suspicions or people want to make money out of sexual harassment or abuse. And so, there's different ways of looking at it. But if it weren't out there so publicly, all these problems would be lessened. 

Lydia

Yes. You know, I'm going to come back to what I was saying a while ago, because we as parents have to be very careful. You know, what happened to my experience at that birthday party; and I went to the house of this man, was my neighbor, my daddy, my papi have asked me to go ask for a tool. He needed a special tool to fix something at home. And he asked me to go, and I went. We, as partners have to be very observant too, because I don't know how long it happened, for how many minutes or the lapse of time that passed. I went home and gave the tool to my dad. And then there was the ice cream truck in the neighborhood.  Papi bought Chopos, was the ice cream cones for everybody. And I just couldn't eat it. I was throwing up. I was so nauseated, but I didn't know why. So, for many years, for decades, I could never eat ice cream. 

Rebecca

The reason I brought ice cream, and I'm also sorry that you went through that, because children are young, and we see pornography being pushed in the schools or what gender they want to be at age four. But children at that age don't even know what flavor of ice cream they like. Some of them might still be wearing training pants because they're not potty trained, and yet they're being exposed to all this garbage, is what I call it. 

Lydia

And the thing is, and now it is just on their electronic device. It can be accessed from anywhere. You mentioned a while ago in the stores that is just on the open, decades ago. I remember also when I was a teenager, that I was in my city in Mexico, I was very busy in like, you know, the avenues, the cars going and coming in. I remember I was with these older young men, but I was a teenager. He was 20 some he was pretending to be, he wanted to date me. I remember we were walking and then we stop in the corner before crossing the street and there is a magazine stand, and there were some magazines that you couldn’t really see because they were covered in plastic. And with the paper, you couldn't really see what it was, what it was. But he said, have you ever read one of those magazines? Oh, those with naked people? No!

I was told that they are magazines that are not good for me. And he said, I have! But you know, this is a big sign for me to get away from this person. 

Rebecca

Right. We as parents, or maybe you might have younger brothers and sisters, nieces and nephews who look up to you for guidance. We should be able to talk about how we should respect others, not demean them. And women are demeaned in public like we're kind of some sex objects only when we're just like everybody else who wants to work, live without any aggression around us. And yet. So why are we so silent about this in the newsstands that you were talking about several years ago? All these things were hidden somewhere in a back room. And I remember in Spanish that I heard a man one time ask the salesperson, in Spanish, 

No tienen magazines de maña? 

Lydia

OH, de maña!

Rebecca 

Right. Like, do you have any “off the wall stuff?” And they would have to go get it in the back. But now it's out in the open. 

Lydia

Anybody, any kid, any age can access them. So what do you think will be the consequences that are presenting to us right now if we as parents allow all of these to be widely open in the schools? 

What do you think can happen to us as a society? Where are we going with this if we don't do anything about it to stop it? 

Rebecca

It's just going to grow because it's a multimillion-dollar industry like California, it's one of their biggest businesses because there's a lot of money in and if people can make money off of anything that's not good for society, unless it's there's somebody puts a check on it, like to stop it. I don't know about you, but I'm on Facebook. And over the last two or three years, I try to put something on Facebook, or somebody forwards it and all of a sudden it's dropped or like, this is false content and you can't access this. And because somebody is censoring you and censoring other people. So, it really is up to us to put pressure on this business and to complain. Sometimes it might just be like baby steps, do a little bit at a time, but sometimes it may mean if you see something again in a public place, like a store, when I when my kids were younger and I saw something like that when we were all together, they knew when I was going to do next. And I would ask for the manager. And the question is not to say, okay, this offends me. Why do you have it up there? Okay, we want to put the defense on their part. Why do they have it up there? 

And maybe they'll come up with an answer or not. Or again, they'll call you a crazy person, but in the end, you're still getting the message across that people should be responsible for what they're doing. 

Lydia

So really what you're saying is we can do something about it. We count. 

In your book. You talk about anti-pornography groups. They work as volunteers without personal gain or money. Their work is unglamorous, and they have to look for financial support. So associations that are fighting against pornography organizations, they relied on the support that we can give them as well, monetary because there's no money coming in for them. 

Rebecca

No. And the irony is that it's not a topic that we can discuss at the kitchen table. Everybody's embarrassed by it or, they don't want to touch that subject. Even friends, friends with other friends. It's like so? 

Lydia

You know, you talk about a power over spirit and body, which can inflict scars and influence people towards a life behind bars. It's a power that needs to be replaced with a more powerful force. 

Rebecca

Yes. You know, in my family, I have a brother. I have sons. Most of us have had fathers. And I loved my father dearly. He was a man of values. But he also used to say, I'm telling you this because of my experience. And we can use our misfortunes to bring some good out of everything. 

Lydia

Yes. 

Rebecca

And even, if we think that as ordinary people, we're not able to do anything. If we pray to God and ask the Holy Spirit to help us also, we can overcome those experiences that took so much out of us and try to bring good out of it, because that also helps the healing process. 

Lydia

We can’t do anything without the help of God. And sometimes we also, and I will say personally is my opinion, we need a person that is a professional to help us heal, a human being that can also help us towards this path, to walk to so we can at least understand and get to forgive those who have hurt us. 

I would like to read this part that I think is so beautiful. Men and women can be united in a spirit as a human oneness for the same common good. Men and women are equally dependent on each other for love, peace, support, and honest fulfillment. 

So, so beautiful. What you wrote here. 

Rebeca

Thank you. I like I said, I think of my own parents who both instilled values in us. We were very poor and my dad, he was not an educated man, but sometimes he'd see some behavior in other people that he didn't like, and he'd say: Es falta de educación! A lack of education.  But what he meant was virtues. And so we depend on each other. We depend on the family. We get a lot of our support and sustenance from our families. And yet pornography or abuse only tends to break families, sometimes break them up like a lot of other issues also. So, it's not really helping society either as individuals or as families. So, we need to get back to that. And if there's an evil out there, that needs to be targeted. Then we should do that, just like everything else is targeted in government. We're all in this together. It's just not women who are being victims. And it's just that this has become such a giant everywhere because it has been given the reign to take over and people become enslaved to it. It's just like being addicted to other things. People can become addicted to it. And it's like what good comes onto it or what's the purpose of all these actresses just all the time doing whatever they want and regardless of the consequences?

Lydia

What comes to your heart, Rebecca, what are we to do to be part of this? What is the main strength that we need? What is it?

Rebecca

Realistically, I think that one person alone cannot take care of this problem. It’s a worldwide problem, but it's being ignored. And if more people became aware of it, which is why I tried do in the book, I didn't start out to write a book, but after I had gone to a retreat and found inner healing, I was writing to, I heard a congresswoman's say that she wanted to pass the bill or something against pornography. So, I started writing her a letter and of course, I had a lot of emotions inside me, including anger. It's like that post-traumatic syndrome that comes back and like you, you just have this rage inside. I no longer feel that because I have gotten over it to some extent, but I attribute it to God healing me. People can go to therapy and things like that. Maybe, and all helps. So, I kept adding to this letter and soon I had like a small chapter. And after more days it became a book and I'd hear something one day and I say, oh, I know what that feels like. And so, I was able to write about it and cover several of the issues that surround pornography. And so, when people become more aware of it, they're able to deal with it and as more people hear about it or believe that something can be done, then it can be done just like all other issues. 

So, we have to rise above that culture, and it's never going to disappear completely. But everything can be, laws can be amended pressure, peer pressure can be put out there. I go back to two Muslim men who went to the school board to speak up for their small children. 

And if it goes, if it continues to be patronized, where we are willing to spend our hard-earned money on pornographic movies or whatever, then what good can come out of that? 

Lydia

So how we, you and I, were victims of pornography, I'm sure; you know that you were directly because the teenager that abused you kept pornography right next to him. 

Rebecca

Right, he exposed it to me as a young child. And that's what bothers me about young children now being exposed to so much pornography. I wouldn't want it for my grandchildren.

And who wants to see that? there should be limits? Maybe they started out with limits a few years ago, but it's almost like there's no limit to anything now. Everything is at our fingertips on the Internet, on our phones. 

Lydia

So, Rebecca, how is it that you rose above pornography, from being a victim of pornography? 

Rebecca

With me, I had just spent a spiritual retreat when I felt that healing from God. 

But it was that daily healing by writing the book, which I thought was just going to be a letter. Then I was able to get that out of my system, and I thank God that he gave me the opportunity to do that. But it's turning something evil into hopefully something good for other people. 

When we are able to do something positive with negative experiences that we've had in the past, then where we're using them for good. 

Lydia

Yes, I by reading your book, I mean, when I finally was able to read the whole book, it was so I wrote it in stages as I was going along, feeling sad, feeling mad, feeling confused. Sometimes in some chapters. But I thank you so much because you wrote this book, because for me, it helped me. It was a tool, one more tool that helped me rose above being a victim of sexual abuse myself. 

Rebecca

 I am glad to hear that because my thinking was if it can help one person somewhere, then it's worth the work. It's worth it. So I'm really glad that it has helped you and I think it can help others, whether they are the victim or the offender, or if may be they're a teacher in a classroom and they need to open their eyes to what's going on, to parents, the families who also suffer along with the victimized person, or when somebody is sentenced for being an offender, it's not just that person who's suffering, the whole family is suffering. So how can something that affects people in such a negative way be out there with such strong influence? And I wish that we could laugh about it like some other people laugh. You know, they think it's funny.

Lydia

Well , Rising Above Pornography is, it brought a lot of clarity to me, to my mind. And so it helped me, It was a tool. But also in my case, it was having a therapist that was able to deal with the way every other thing that we go through, because we grow up, we go through stages in life. We no longer are a child, a teenager. We get married, we have children. But in my case that something remained inside of me, and I never knew. It was not until about two years ago that my therapist really helped me see everything. And also, I had an experience on a special day of prayer that I attended in a group, in there mentioning all of the people that hurt you, to close your eyes and ask God to forgive from the bottom of your heart, from the deepest of your being. Forgive those who have hurt you, have done harm to you. And at that moment, that man came to my mind, and I know it was then when I finally forgave him and that was part of me rising above the abuse that I had suffered. 

Rebecca

So, we have to remember that God forgives everyone, and the sooner we are able to forgive, then the sooner we too will heal. And you asked a while ago about addiction. And in the book, there are, there's a chapter on the 12 stages how to overcome pornography, addictions to pornography. And it's a lot of things are just common sense. Also like you tried to get away from those situations, the more you stop at a gentlemen's bar what are you going to expect? And I recently heard to where in the city where I live, there was an investigation and a home near nearby where a man and his son were both engaging in child pornography over the Internet. It's just this year, you know. 

Lydia

It's what I have heard more in the news that they're able to know who is seeking and looking for these, however. Okay. That's child pornography but how the other pornography is still also bad, is harming somebody. 

Rebecca

Right

Lydia

We have our loved ones, ou society. We have God!

Rebecca

Amen

Lydia

 All of this is with us, a spiritual director, a relative, a friend, a tia, a grandpa a grandma. If somebody has gone or is going through different things that might be harming in a way, seek help, talk to somebody.

Rebeca, I was again, an honor to have you here. Thank you so much for all the words of wisdom, for your love that you share for us, for your hope and for your desire to eradicate this; to keep on rejecting this horrible things that should not be present in our society, in our children's lives, in our future. Thank you so much. 

Rebecca

You're welcome, Lydia. And it's been a pleasure talking with you. And I learn a lot from you, too. And I hope that whoever does read the book will also gain something from it and be able to help others. The book is available on Amazon.com and on Barnes and Noble.com. 

Lydia

Yes. Rising about pornography by Rebecca Lomas. And we'll put a link on that description so you can click on the link and take you to the book. 

Thank you so much. 

Rebeca

God bless you and bless the audience, too. 

Lydia 

Yes. Peace be with you all!